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How 'why' killed the cat (or equally: how inquisitive and stupid questions can be a downer)
Started this discussion. Last reply by Mark Dawson Nov 5, 2012. 17 Replies 0 Likes
Hi allOk, I am a bit afraid to broach this subject, so please; I want to preface this very, very carefully. I have a feeling these could be rather dangerous questions I’m about to ask. Just so…Continue
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Mark Dawson replied to V.C.M's discussion How 'why' killed the cat (or equally: how inquisitive and stupid questions can be a downer)
Jeff Rosenbury replied to V.C.M's discussion How 'why' killed the cat (or equally: how inquisitive and stupid questions can be a downer)"You must be from over the pond. In America football views are far more likely to engender a violent response than religion is. Wandering around Oakland muttering about how great the 49ers are is a good way to get hurt. "
Jeff Rosenbury replied to V.C.M's discussion How 'why' killed the cat (or equally: how inquisitive and stupid questions can be a downer)"Christian beliefs might lead to values, but they are not values. Thus beliefs such as original sin are not shared by Hebrews, yet the reverence for life is.
Nor does a lack of reverence for life mean a culture doesn't love its children.…"
Mark Dawson replied to V.C.M's discussion How 'why' killed the cat (or equally: how inquisitive and stupid questions can be a downer)"It always amuses me that because an atheist disagrees with a belivers views on religion it is an attack on that religion. I am positive that I disagree with everyone else in this forum when it comes to our choice of which football teams we…"
Russ Woodward replied to V.C.M's discussion How 'why' killed the cat (or equally: how inquisitive and stupid questions can be a downer)"You assume there are no morals without religion.
I don't need "Christian Values" to understand that stealing from my boss is wrong. I find it disconcerting that it is only a religion that keeps you from steeling from your…"
Jeff Rosenbury replied to V.C.M's discussion How 'why' killed the cat (or equally: how inquisitive and stupid questions can be a downer)"I'm coming at this from a Christian perspective.
I understand and largely agree with Campbell's functional view of religion. Yet I don't understand how a mere intellectual understanding of these functions can actually accomplish the…"
Russ Woodward replied to V.C.M's discussion How 'why' killed the cat (or equally: how inquisitive and stupid questions can be a downer)"
V.C.M your message is 90% posturing and 10% substance.
If you have to ask why "atheists" don’t believe and if we have rituals and etc. etc. than you really are not getting the point. Ask yourself, what do you…"
Don S. replied to V.C.M's discussion How 'why' killed the cat (or equally: how inquisitive and stupid questions can be a downer)"Godeau,
Knowledge in the way I am using it "is justified true belief." You cannot justify metaphysical claims, so you cant have knowledge of them. However, you can still have belief. You can test whether your toaster flies. You can justify…"
Goudeau replied to V.C.M's discussion How 'why' killed the cat (or equally: how inquisitive and stupid questions can be a downer)"Do you get to define the meaning or does the standard meaning apply? The standard means, "I don't know if there is a god." It's meaningless. It is the same as, "I don't know if my toaster doesn't…"
Don S. replied to V.C.M's discussion How 'why' killed the cat (or equally: how inquisitive and stupid questions can be a downer)"Goudeau,
Hitch, Dawkins and I think even Penn agree you cannot prove God does not exist. Consequently, in terms of knowledge as justified true belief, you cannot know there is no God. So, the default setting is agnostic."
Martha Anderson replied to V.C.M's discussion How 'why' killed the cat (or equally: how inquisitive and stupid questions can be a downer)"Seriously, why are so many people who are not Agnostic so focused on defining Agnosticism in a demeaning way? And then plugging their ears to what actual Agnostics have to say? Come. On."
Martha Anderson replied to V.C.M's discussion How 'why' killed the cat (or equally: how inquisitive and stupid questions can be a downer)"It can be an epistemological position. It's not necessarily one, though. I find the pigeonholing to be obnoxious and condescending - please don't tell me what I think and feel. At a very shallow level, I'm Agnostic in the way…"
Goudeau replied to V.C.M's discussion How 'why' killed the cat (or equally: how inquisitive and stupid questions can be a downer)"You've been taught about god. Without the suggestion of god you wouldn't have any knowledge or interest in it. Atheism is what you're born with. There is no more evidence for any god than there is for the Flying…"
Don S. replied to V.C.M's discussion How 'why' killed the cat (or equally: how inquisitive and stupid questions can be a downer)"Martha,
Being agnostic is an epistemological position. You can't know either way. Atheists can believe there is no God but accept that they cannot be certain.
-Don"
Mark Dawson replied to V.C.M's discussion How 'why' killed the cat (or equally: how inquisitive and stupid questions can be a downer)"I started becoming an atheist at age 14 when they following happened:
1) A church youth group leader told us how alcohol was evil as were the people who drank it. My father would have a glass of wine with dinner or an occasional beer. he…"
Martha Anderson replied to V.C.M's discussion How 'why' killed the cat (or equally: how inquisitive and stupid questions can be a downer)"I'm Agnostic, so maybe that means I'm a little more chill, but I don't see any problem whatsoever with asking serious, interesting questions that matter. You're fine.
First thing reading your post made me wonder was, "Were…"
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